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In this episode, we ask:
- What is the goal of climbing a mountain?
- Who was the first person to successfully climb Mount Everest?
- What about coming down the mountain?
- What about a sherpa?
- What about compensation based on AUM?
- What is the volatility buffer?
- What about when all of the money is tied up in the market?
- What happens with a market crash?
- What happens in retirement?
- Does the stock market care if you are retired or not?
- How might we avoid a disaster in retirement?
- Who has an average retirement account?
- Who has a mythical average account?
- What are some strategies?
- What money can you not afford to lose?
- How does the volatility buffer work?
- Wouldn’t you anticipate what the mountain might bring?
- How might you shield yourself from the elements?
- What are the provisions?
- Who is Wade Pfau?
- What does Wade Pfau say?
- What are some reasonable expectations?
- How about coming down the mountain safely?
- What did Tom Hegna say?
- Would you like to discuss some strategies for “coming down the mountain”?
- Schedule a meeting with Mark





Pamela Yellen, Financial security expert and best-selling author, investigated more than 450 savings and retirement planning strategies seeking an alternative to the risk and volatility of stocks and other investments. Her research led her to a time-tested, predictable method of growing and protecting wealth she calls Bank On Yourself (
Jamie Hopkins, Esq., LLM, MBA, CFP®, RICP® is the managing director of Carson Coaching and the Director of Retirement Research for Carson Group. He is a finance professor of practice at Creighton University’s Heider College of Business and is the author of the book Rewirement: Rewiring The Way You Think About Retirement Planning. Jamie helped co-create the Retirement Income Certified Professional (RICP®) designation at The American College of Financial Services. He was named as a top 40 young attorney by the American Bar Association and a top 40 financial service professional under the age of 40 by InvestmentNews. In 2020, his work on retirement planning and the SECURE Act won an award from WealthManagement.com for being the best Thought Leadership Advisor Education in the industry. You can contact him at
Tom Wheelwright is a CPA, CEO of WealthAbility®, Best-Selling Author of “Tax-Free Wealth”, Owner and Active CPA for Wheelwright Manahan, Speaker, and Host of 2 popular podcasts, including The WealthAbility® for CPAs Show. Wheelwright advises CPAs, accounting professionals, small business owners, entrepreneurs, and investors how to permanently and legally reduce their taxes by 10-40%. Previously, Wheelwright was a Manager in the National Tax Office of Ernst and Young, an Adjunct Professor in the Masters of Tax Program at Arizona State University for 14 years, and a Fortune 500 in-house tax advisor and tax lobbyist.


Sean Morrissey is a landlord and real estate broker, in the western suburbs of the Chicagoland area, who has built a $7M real estate portfolio and owns/manages Chicagoland Realty Group Partners LLC.