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In this episode, we ask:
- What if it is possible to be BETTER than debt free?
- Would you like to hear the No. 1 The White Belt and No 2. The Yellow Belt?
- Are you debt free?
- Is paying cash the answer?
- What did a recent federal reserve study conclude?
- What is the Debt SnowBank Method?
- What are the 5 steps?
- How about two example cases?
- Is your thinking short term or long range?
- Which matters more?
- What’s the bottom line difference?
- Do we have to work harder?
- Do your emergencies care if you’re in debt or not?
- How about a case study?
- How does one instantly create a legacy?
- What is a trap?
- How many months of expenses do you have ready to go?
- So what happened to the two example cases at age 70?
- Do you have to choose between getting out of debt and creating wealth?
- What are some success stories?
- Who will redirect the force?
- What are the principles?
- What about financial flexibility?
- What about taxable events?
- What is your ideal outcome?
- What are the takeaways?
- Would you like to meet with Mark or one of Mark’s associates?
- Would you like to join our FREE Not Your Average Financial Community?




Dana Samuelson is the Founder and President of American Gold Exchange (AGE), a leading national precious metals and rare coin company specializing in dealer-to-dealer trading and direct-to-consumer sales.
Ben Berry is the owner of Berry Financial Services, LLC, where he helps individuals, families, and business owners take back control of their financial lives. As a Bank On Yourself® Professional and Safe Money Specialist, Ben focuses on building predictable, tax-advantaged wealth strategies designed to support long-term security and generational impact. His approach integrates advanced business planning, life insurance solutions, contingency capital, and asset-mapping to create clear, customized financial pathways. Known for translating complex concepts into practical guidance, Ben equips clients to make confident decisions in an uncertain world. He is passionate about education, relationships, and helping people build wealth they can depend on. 

Moneeka Sawyer is a TEDx speaker, an international best- selling author of the award-winning book “Choose Bliss: The Power and Practice of Joy and Contentment, and hosts a top rated podcast and nationally syndicated radio show. She has interviewed prestigious guests such as Leeza Gibbons, Dr. Joe Vitale, Hal Elrod, and Mark Victor Hansen, and has been interviewed on podcasts like Entrepreneurs on Fire with John Lee Dumas, Hal Elrod’s Achieve Your Goals, and the Best Real Estate Advice Ever show with Joe Fairless. Most recently she was featured on the cover of Forbes Magazine and in America’s Who’s Who. Moneeka’s expertise, and bliss-filled laugh, have also been featured on stages with Suzanne Somers, Martha Stewart, and Ice T & Coco at places like the Nasdaq Marketplace, Harvard, and Carnegie Hall, and on TV on NBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox impacting over 150 million people. Connect with Moneeka at 