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Episode 393: [Client Spotlight] Financial Independence in the W-2 with Jon Thiele

March 14, 2025 by Not Your Average Financial Podcast

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In this episode, we ask:

  • Should you quit your day job?
  • What does it take to truly be a leader?
  • How do you unhook yourself from “default” mode?
  • Who is Jon Thiele?
  • What’s Jon’s daily morning ritual?
  • What’s extremely important?
  • How did Jon’s career evolve?
  • How did Jon find Mark?
  • What happens when “the math isn’t mathing”?
  • What questions did Jon ask other advisors?
  • What has become richer?
  • What has bothered Jon?
  • What breaks compounding?
  • How has the money grown?
  • What happens with a financial contractual agreement?
  • What about non-direct recognition policy loans?
  • What has Jon’s family done with policy loans?
  • What about paying back a loan from the insurance company with simple interest?
  • What happened when the hurricane hit Florida?
  • How does one bring banking back down to the “you and me” level?
  • What would Jon like to do with his policies in the future?
  • Would you like to hear Episode 298?
  • Can you take another policy loan if you already have a loan taken out?
  • How do you define leadership?
  • Would you like to reach out to Jon on the FREE Not Your Average Financial Community?
  • What are the takeaways?
  • Would you like to meet with Mark or one of Mark’s associates?

Jon Thiele is a W-2 employee, who is passionate about the company he works for, not just for their mission, but for the opportunities that the company has allowed for his career to expand to include fields outside of what he went to school for (which was Architecture). Although he is an Architect, licensed in California and Florida where he and his wife and two kids currently live, he has spent the last couple of years in the Financial Planning & Analysis side of business and has most recently taken on the role of Chief of Staff to one of the Finance VPs. Jon met Mark just before the COVID pandemic began in 2020, and started his journey with Bank on Yourself®. He continues to study ways to be “not so average” with his finances, and he looks forward to passing down this knowledge to his children, as they get older.

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Episode 390: [Client Spotlight] From Island Paradise to Master of Banking with Harry Looknanan Jr.

February 21, 2025 by Not Your Average Financial Podcast

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In this episode, we ask:

  • What would life be like when you’ve reached financial freedom?
  • Who is Harry Looknanan Jr.?
  • Who knows how to manage in crisis?
  • What happened in 2007?
  • How did Harry meet Mark?
  • What about peace of mind?
  • What has Harry been able to do since having a Bank on Yourself® financial strategy?
  • What about the contingency fund?
  • What about penalties and tax on rolling out of a qualified plan before age 59 1/2?
  • Who loses money when the market drops?
  • What happens to compounding in that case?
  • What’s important to you?
  • What components did Harry know he needed in his financial strategy?
  • What’s the beautiful thing?
  • How about increasing the yield without taking unnecessary market risk?
  • What do I need to do differently?
  • What 5 simple things do you want to accomplish in your financial life?
  • What is there to lose?
  • What is there to gain?
  • Are you a business owner? Would you like to reach out to Harry on LinkedIn?
  • What are the takeaways?
  • What are the contingency plans?
  • What do you achieve?
  • What do you focus on?
  • Who do you inspire?

Harry Looknanan Jr. works in commercial banking at the country’s largest financial institutions.  He enjoys the conversations with the owners of companies, listening to their story of starting in the garage and helping them solve their biggest problems. When he’s not banking, he enjoys spending time with my wife and Bentley (Dodson-Australian Shepard) indoors in the summer, and outdoors in the winter. He also scuba dives and binge-watches Sci-Fi movies in his free time.

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Episode 386: [Client Spotlight] Navigating Life’s Twists: Steven Lyon’s Wealth-Building Journey

January 24, 2025 by Not Your Average Financial Podcast

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In this episode, we ask:

  • Is life like a road trip?
  • Who is Steven Lyons?
  • How did Steven and his wife meet?
  • What did Steven learn from his dad’s entrepreneurship?
  • What was the fork in the road?
  • What is Steven’s work?
  • What about pattern recognition?
  • What’s Steven’s learning journey with money?
  • What happened next?
  • What’s the difference between being covered vs. being secure?
  • What didn’t make much sense?
  • What about being discouraged from taking loans on a life insurance policy?
  • What is possible?
  • How are Bank on Yourself® type whole life insurance policies different?
  • What was the disincentive on that plan?
  • How could an annuity systematically pay for life insurance premium?
  • Is this too good to be true?
  • What about the vocabulary of insurance?
  • What opportunities can Steven chase now, without losing his position?
  • What are direct recognition loans?
  • How do direct recognition loans affect compound growth?
  • What has happened?
  • How easy was it to take a policy loan?
  • What is Steven doing with Authentic Texas Magazine?
  • What are the three types of buildings you will find in many small West Texas towns?
  • What about starting from an early age?
  • What about teaching the kids?
  • Where can you find Authentic Texas magazines?
  • What are the takeaways?
  • What about serendipity?
  • What about learning from financial missteps?
  • What about trusting in pattern recognition and trusting your gut?

Steven Lyons is the owner and creative director of Adaptable Space, a marketing design consultancy based in Nashville, Tennessee focusing on engineering business design solutions. Steven has twenty-eight years of agency and in-house creative experience building comprehensive brand communications working with Fortune 500 companies to non-profits. As the creative lead for Authentic Texas Magazine, he’s been an integral part of the redesign and continued development of the magazine since 2019, as well as the design director for the Official Texas Rangers Bicentennial Guide in 2023. Steven holds a bachelor’s degree in advertising and graphic design from Abilene Christian University.

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Episode 380:[Client Spotlight] Mastering Real Estate and Bank On Yourself® with Brian Claus

December 13, 2024 by Not Your Average Financial Podcast

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In this episode, we ask:

  • How about balancing family life, ministry and real estate?
  • Who is Brian Claus?
  • Have you heard about UnBound Now?
  • What’s Brian’s earliest memory with money?
  • What did Brian’s Dad do to incentivize saving?
  • What’s Brian’s story?
  • What happened in 2018?
  • What are the benefits of running real estate through policies instead of banks?
  • What about Dave Ramsey’s thinking?
  • What about due diligence?
  • What about selling the house?
  • What was the benefit of putting the proceeds into a policy?
  • What about the down payment for the new house?
  • What about the pool?
  • What happened with the land deal?
  • What about the other deals?
  • How did Brian access the money?
  • Would you like to view Brian’s financial map?
  • How else does Brian use these policies?
  • What about paying taxes?
  • What about the ministry through Brian’s church?
  • Would you like to visit UnBound Now?
  • Would you like to email or message Brian on the FREE Not Your Average Financial Community?
  • What are the takeaways?

Brian Claus balances family life with a career in diverse real estate ventures, from long-term rentals to Airbnbs and land sales. For over a decade, he’s worked with Unbound Now, a dedicated anti-human trafficking organization, where he’s made a meaningful impact.

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Episode 376: [Client Spotlight] Due Diligence and the Income Snowball with Tanisha Souza

November 15, 2024 by Not Your Average Financial Podcast

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In this episode, we ask:

  • Did you have a Game Genie or similar childhood thrill?
  • Do you remember the Choose Your Own Adventure books?
  • What is the income snowball?
  • How does one generate passive income?
  • Who is Tanisha Souza, J.D.?
  • What about due diligence?
  • How about a story?
  • What does Tardus Wealth Strategies do?
  • What is wealth coaching, and how is it different from financial advising?
  • What is the income snowball?
  • What is Tanisha’s background?
  • How does the income snowball work?
  • What are some examples of people on the income snowball?
  • What about a passive income strategy?
  • What’s the difference between an accumulation strategy and a passive income strategy?
  • What about replacing living expenses?
  • How about leverage?
  • Why leverage Bank on Yourself type whole life insurance policies with the income snowball?
  • Would you like to read Tanisha Souza’s book, Creating Your Income Snowball?
  • What are the benefits of shorter terms?
  • What are the risks?
  • What’s a slow burning fuel?
  • What’s a fast burning fuel?
  • What’s the risk tolerance?
  • Would you like to visit creatingyourincomesnowball.com?
  • What are the takeaways?

Tanisha Souza, J.D., is an author, patent-holder, professional speaker, wealth and passive income coach, and entrepreneur. She has a passion for teaching people how to live their dreams by quickly building passive income without risk. Tanisha quit the practice of law after replacing her income with passive income from real estate, and she launched Tardus Wealth Strategies, a full-service wealth and passive income coaching firm. Tanisha studied and obtained her bachelor’s degree at U.C. Berkeley and obtained her juris doctorate from the U.S.C. Law School.

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Episode 374: [Client Spotlight] Bank On Yourself® and Austrian Economics with Max Brusky

November 1, 2024 by Not Your Average Financial Podcast

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In this episode, we ask:

  • Can you imagine…?
  • What is Austrian Economics?
  • Who is Max Brusky?
  • What is Max’s podcast about?
  • Would you like to hear the BuckAround Podcast?
  • What happened to Max in downtown Chicago?
  • What happened at the Mises Circle event?
  • What is the relationship between Austrian Economics and Bank on Yourself?
  • Who is Ludwig von Mises?
  • What about Mises’ books, Theory of Money and Credit (1912) and Socialism (1920)?
  • What about sound money?
  • What is considered a store of value?
  • What about lending money?
  • What is the purpose of the central bank?
  • Is it a quasi-government agency?
  • Who appoints the central bank’s governors?
  • What is money? What is credit?
  • Who controls the money supply?
  • What leads to inflation?
  • What leads to improper business signals to investors and creditors?
  • What is a good interest rate?
  • Who sets the interest rate?
  • What is the Austrian Business cycle?
  • What is the boom / bust cycle?
  • What happens when the money is cheap and free?
  • What happens when bad decisions get subsidized by more money?
  • What does Mark have?
  • Do the Austrians have something to say about what’s going in our world right now?
  • Would you like to visit mises.org?
  • What about the Great Depression?
  • Would you like to read Murray Rothbard’s book on The Great Depression?
  • Who was Murray Rothbard?
  • What about human action?
  • Who are the Austrian economists?
  • What is the fix? Can anyone fix it?
  • What about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies?
  • What about the various agendas?
  • Do you remember the sidebar blogroll?
  • What about various Austrian economist podcasters?
  • What about Keynesian economics?
  • What about course corrections?
  • What did Thomas Jefferson say?
  • How was Max lucky?
  • Who is Robert Murphy?
  • Who is able to opt out of that system?
  • What is designed to keep you in debt?
  • What about debt, on the bank’s terms?
  • What happens when you use the cash value as collateral on a policy loan for big purchases in Bank on Yourself® type whole life insurance policies?
  • What is the great dispossession?
  • Who gets paid last?
  • How is an insurance company’s contract different?
  • What about the history of the contract?
  • What are the benefits of whole life insurance?
  • How does the death benefit make a big impact?
  • How has Max used his policies?
  • How about loaning money to kids for college?
  • What about having skin in the game?
  • What about the honor of paying back your debt?
  • What about paying tax?
  • What about donations?
  • How do the college loan repayments contribute to the kid’s inheritance?
  • What is a racket?
  • What are some creative ways to set up kids for success?
  • Would you like to visit mises.org?
  • Would you like to visit aier.org?
  • What are the takeaways?

Max Brusky is an attorney specializing in civil litigation, particularly insurance defense, coverage, and subrogation. He is currently an “in-house” and Claims Director for a national trucking company. He is a happy husband to a happy (and brilliant, and understanding) wife, and the proud father of two, one in college, one almost in college. He currently lives in Chicago’s far west suburbs, but still considers himself a Wisconsin expatriate.

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Episode 367: A Bank on Yourself® Manifesto with Dave Bonnemort

September 13, 2024 by Not Your Average Financial Podcast

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In this episode, we ask:

  • Would you like to hear Part 1 with Dave Bonnemort?
  • What about mindset?
  • What about cash value life insurance?
  • What is the point of all of this?
  • What about building capital?
  • Can you do hard things?
  • What’s Dave’s experience with his policies?
  • What about thinking long range?
  • Do you want a million dollars today or a penny that doubles every day?
  • What about dividends?
  • What was Nelson Nash pounding the drum about?
  • When do you want your money to be most efficient?
  • How does the Bank on Yourself® or Infinite Banking strategy fit into the E.S.I. framework we talked about last week?
  • What about warehousing your wealth?
  • What about emergency funds?
  • What about starting a business and access to opportunity funds?
  • What about looking at the flow of money?
  • What about the Profit First book?
  • How does Dave pay his taxes?
  • How does Dave protect the family and the business?
  • What is the Augusta rule?
  • What about paying for college and beyond?
  • What about saving to drive the efficiency of the dollars?
  • What about real estate, crypto or starting a business?
  • Does the choice have to be either/or?
  • How is life insurance an “and asset”?
  • How do the tax dollars pay for the life insurance premium?
  • What did Dave learn from Nelson Nash?
  • What about insurance as an asset class?
  • How did Dave choose to work with Mark?
  • Do you build capital in an investment?
  • Who gets burned?
  • What about ruminating over all of the information, to really absorb and learn it?
  • What about being more strategic?
  • What about paying a simple interest rate back to the insurance company?
  • What about having capital for opportunities?
  • What about getting better terms for cash (vs. financing)?
  • What about the example of the two sisters: the life insurance sister vs. the C.D. sister?
  • Why are books so important and so much better than social media?
  • What will take time?
  • What is a 30 year journey and process?
  • Who understands how to handle lump sums?
  • Who is willing to hustle and grind?
  • What are the strategies you can employ when you can’t pay a premium?
  • What about thinking long term?
  • Would you like to hear Episode 95 and Episode 96?
  • How might life insurance figure into your overall situation?
  • How might it be a safety net as well as accessible capital?
  • How might patience lead to exponential growth over time?
  • What about talking with your family to teach financial concepts in a practical way?
  • Would you like to meet with Mark?

Dave Bonnemort is a current client and active practitioner of the Becoming Your Own Banker concept, as well as a husband to an amazing wife and father to three incredible kids.

He makes his living as a small business owner, is a student of Austrian economics, and a personal finance junkie.

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Episode 366: From Mowing Lawns to Mastering Money with Dave Bonnemort

September 6, 2024 by Not Your Average Financial Podcast

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In this episode, we ask:

  • Does X mark the spot?
  • Who is Dave Bonnemort?
  • How did Dave get his start?
  • How many policies does Dave and his family own?
  • What is the E.S.I. framework?
  • What about earning?
  • What about saving?
  • What about interest?
  • What about banking?
  • Who is good at at least two of the three?
  • What about investing in yourself and your health?
  • What about education?
  • How might we bring value to others?
  • What have you done to help keep up with inflation?
  • What is the difference between saving and investing?
  • Is a 401(k) saving or investing?
  • What about the book Becoming Your Own Banker by Nelson Nash?
  • What about keeping your debts low?
  • What did Charlie Munger say?
  • What about Willie Sutton’s law?
  • What about the changing rules?
  • Have you looked at the history of taxes?
  • Where are the big payouts?
  • What about risk?
  • What about the likelihood of loss vs. the likelihood of winning?
  • What about volatility?
  • What about saving and building capital?
  • What about being broke as a joke?
  • How did Dave 10x some of his money?
  • Who knows better (what to do with your money)?
  • What about banking, rate and volume?
  • What are the two businesses?
  • How about patience and hard work?
  • What about the mindset?
  • What are the ugly, painful, grinding years?
  • What about the capitalization phase?
  • How is this like starting a tree farm?
  • What about the loan phase?
  • How much money do you bring in every month?
  • What dollar amount do you bring in as loans?
  • What if you were paying yourself back (for loans) and recapturing that interest instead?
  • Would you like to hear Part 2 with Dave next week?
  • What are the takeaways?
  • What about the need to have accessible, liquid capital?

Dave Bonnemort is a current client and active practitioner of the Becoming Your Own Banker concept, as well as a husband to an amazing wife and father to three incredible kids.

He makes his living as a small business owner, is a student of Austrian economics, and a personal finance junkie.

 

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Episode 352: Right-Sizing Bank on Yourself®, A Real Estate Power Couple’s Story with Lindsay and Ryan Rice

May 31, 2024 by Not Your Average Financial Podcast

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In this episode, we ask:

  • Have you ever wondered what it takes?
  • What are the struggles?
  • Would you like to hear more from Lindsay and Ryan Rice of Rice Properties Group?
  • How did they get started?
  • How did they nurture and generate a referral-based business?
  • What about relational business?
  • What about transactional business?
  • How about serving people?
  • How do they manage?
  • How do they work together and set goals?
  • What about life insurance?
  • What about Bank on Yourself® type whole life insurance policies surprised Lindsay and Ryan?
  • How have they leveraged their policies?
  • What about taxes?
  • What about retirement?
  • What about cash flow?
  • What’s the difference between a challenge and a burden?
  • What happened in 2021?
  • How about variable income?
  • What about reinstating a policy?
  • What happens once your policy is filled?
  • How does one determine the right size for a policy?
  • Would you like to meet with Mark?
  • Would you like to hear Episode 203?
  • How about some words of wisdom?
  • How is this like working out?
  • Would you like to search for Rice Properties Group?
  • What are the takeaways?
  • What are the action items?
  • How about the power of uninterrupted compound growth?
  • How about resilience in challenging times?
  • Is your current plan the right size?

Lindsay and Ryan Rice are the entrepreneurial spirits behind Rice Properties Group, a real estate powerhouse built on the foundation of love, partnership, and a steadfast commitment to financial mastery. Their journey began as colleagues, where they not only excelled in sales but also found love, becoming the company’s first couple to transition from quiet dating to marriage. Their shared experiences at the startup, which has since become a multi-billion-dollar enterprise, laid the groundwork for their future endeavors in real estate.

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Episode 350: The Art of Leveraging Insurance for Real Estate Success with Jay Helms

May 17, 2024 by Not Your Average Financial Podcast

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In this episode, we ask:

  • Can you imagine?
  • Would you like to hear another story from Jay Helms?
  • Would you like to hear Episode 243?
  • How did Jay break free from the rat race?
  • How did Jay leverage his Bank on Yourself® type whole life insurance policy’s cash value for real estate?
  • What was the annualized return?
  • What were the results?
  • What was the deal?
  • What was the loan amount?
  • What was the interest rate?
  • What happened six months later?
  • What’s a “me-loc” ?
  • What are the advantages?
  • What was the policy’s growth?
  • What is positive arbitrage?
  • Where else can you do this?
  • What about the risk?
  • What about first lien position as a safeguard?
  • What about coming out of the W-2 and going into the real estate world?
  • What did he say?
  • What did he not say?
  • What about liquid access to that money?
  • What about Jay’s mastermind group?
  • What about growth friends?
  • Would you like to join or login to the FREE Not Your Average Financial Community to access and participate in office hours?
  • How about a thought exercise?
  • Would you like to download this FREE  two column sheet with growth friends | maintenance relationships along the top?
  • What are 20 of the most recent, important connections from your device (text, zoom, phone)?
  • What is the crab bucket?
  • What happens when you take action?
  • Would you like to meet with Mark?
  • Would you like to meet with Jay?
  • When is the best time to plant a tree?
  • What does Jay say about starting a policy?
  • What are the takeaways?
  • How might you leverage your life insurance?
  • What could be a powerful cash management tool?
  • What about positive arbitrage?
  • What are you waiting for?
  • What about calculated risks?
  • What about the importance of real relationships?
  • How will you think differently about your money, your economy and your future?

Thought Exercise: Growth Friends and Maintenance Relationships (PDF)

Jay Helms, Founder of the W2 Capitalist, escaped the rat race after 6 years of side hustling in real estate investing. Jay has a goal to help one million people create multiple streams of income, achieve financial freedom, or build legacy wealth through real estate investing. Jay met his wife Cassie when they were contestants on a reality TV show and when their family of 5 are not traveling the country in their RV, Jay and Cassie reside in Gulf Breeze, FL, with their three kids, Rowland, Stella, and Ellen Anne. Knowing that closing on the first deal is the biggest hurdle and roadblock for new investors, he wrote a book, Make An Offer: Break Through Analysis Paralysis & Grab the Confidence You Need to Become a Real Estate Investor, to help them get over those mental hurdles. 

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